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ISA is very good. Plug and play never works properly on ISA, but everything is easy on EISA. Connect a card and add it to the configuration.
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ISA is a lot of fun. I see you have an ELSA Winner 1000 XHR. Interesting to use one on an EISA card.
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EISA is good for “wide” bus transfers; 10/100 LAN, SCSI etc. With proper bus mastering it’s pretty good.
I remember seeing pictures of that late 90s/early 2000s PCChips DX 9000 board with 8 VLB slots, but for years I was convinced it was photoshopped, until I found it on TH99.
About the Boca VLB graphics card you linked: I really like the sparsely populated layer design. They look unusual (at least to me in a good way) with these large empty areas.
M1429 is fine for 386 CPU. It won’t blow you away, but it’s definitely above average.
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Old industrial hardware components, such as 8xVLB PCChips motherboards, are commonly discarded when time has passed.
This chipset is usually found on SX cards, but this is a DX implementation. It piqued my interest.
Obviously not great performance due to the lack of L2 cache, but I wanted to see what’s in there anyway.
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A rather unusual piece of hardware that is interesting for what it is, but it really is what it is.
Of course I wonder what market needs such slow assemblies and in what quantity to motivate companies to make them?
I’m not sure about the exact chipset model and such. I learned what it was. I shared the data as I had it.
A small note about the Trident TGUI9440# board. Very fast and solid. Some of VLB’s best SUVs. Especially AGI. Good to see you kicking it there.
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Why put that DX chipset on a 386SX board? It’s a Trangg Bow board that says a lot 🤣
I am sorry for all VLSI chipset implementations. Some mounts seem pretty fast even for the 386.
I compile and map when I’m done. I plan to do the same with Chips4041.
100% correct that AnonymousCoward is a beast in every way. Your post is what made me want this board.
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I got the 3COM 3C509B-TPO to compare it with the BocalAN ISA and VLB cards. It’s coming soon too.
AGI is something I know a little about. I like to compare it to the 9440-1. (I don’t know if -2/3 was offered in VLB).
I see the 9200 is a CXR, the 9400 is a CXi, and the 9440 is an AGI. I wonder what it all means.
For a very brief period in the mid 90’s… maybe 1994 the Trident was almost as good! After dealing with the Trident 8800, 8900, 9000 cards I had very low expectations for the 9440 but was pleasantly surprised. I think your 96xx cards are also good for PCI. I remember reading that the 9680 had a VLB interface, but I could never find an actual card. So that’s cool, I think. I think if they are good, we can cook a little more. I honestly didn’t know people in Japan used VLB. I thought everyone had PC98 with proprietary interfaces.
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As I understand it, the 9600 series uses the same VGA core as the 9400 series, so if you’re expecting more DOS performance than the 9440, you won’t find it here. I haven’t looked at the datasheets, but my guess is that it’s the 64-bit version of the 9440 that supports the more powerful RAMDAC and more RAM.
Lots of the usual Trident stuff, of course, but they had some good models too.
It is not clear at first glance which are the good ones in the pile of figures/numbers/abbreviations.
I have numbers in previous posts for TGUI9440 VLB on Asus VLI-486SV2GX4 and ProVidia 9685 PCI on Asus PVI-486SP3.
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Run a quick test with ProVidia 9685 PCI on Biostar MB-8433UUD-A rev.3.1, that card is fastest at 160 MHz and get another test point. Again, wait state 0 completely.
The 521 is very slow on 386 boards with a built-in clock generator limited to 40 MHz, which makes them uninteresting for overclocking exercises.
A 421 based PCB is definitely worth exploring, but for that you need to find a working replacement for the already dead board here.
At the same time, these chipsets appear to have relatively short lifespans compared to typical hardware at the time.
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In addition to the other 2 dead Forex boards here (a 411 and a 421, partially liquidated for stocks), I often sell Forex for stocks on the Internet.
Partially upgraded system with 10/12 ns rated L2 cache chips and top gray FasMath FPU, but original CPU and clock oscillator still present.
The bracket looks like new. I think it was put into a computer and never played again until now.
It was nice since I was the first person to remove the CPU and L2 cache chips after they were factory inserted.
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I had to lower some BIOS settings, but performance is still better than 40 MHz with tighter timings.
Tested with AMD 386DX and TI 486 SXL2 processors, as well as ET4000AX (DOS) and ET4000/W32i (Windows) video cards.
1. Forex FRX46C411 is slightly faster than UMC’s UM82C482AF. That’s good because the UMC chipset is very good. Not the best, but definitely above average.
2. Forex FRX46C411 is slower than Symphony chipset in interactive DOS mapping, but surprise, it is faster in challenging offline 3D rendering.
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Despite the lack of BL3 support, the unstable CL GD-5434 (this happens to many 386 boards) and the upper limit of 45 MHz, that motherboard is very capable 386 hardware.
Finding a card with a removable CPU and 400 series chipset seems like quite a challenge. I tried to find a 421 board for a while but the CPU was always soldered on.
The most interesting part is the end where user 386_junkie runs his Forex 421A motherboard at 50 MHz with a 386DX CPU and more relaxed BIOS timing.
It’s hard to tell, but it sounds like the 421A isn’t a major improvement over the 411A.
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The thing is, frankly, I’ve found the 9440 pretty good all around as an upper midrange card.
Feipoa’s plot here shows that the 8900D-R is quite good for DOS graphics in at least one implementation.
PCI 96xx cards are definitely very good, agree there. I also think 98xx cards are fine.
I hope we can cook more! I wonder why there is also a VLB card which stands for DOS-V.
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Good to know about the 9600 series. I guess windows acceleration is good for them?
The more powerful RAMDAC and 64-bit setup is nice. Gotta pick one to mess with.
They made a VLB Pentium chipset but I always thought they looked like Efar and were quickly out of the game and rebranded.
Did some quick testing on the Intel Batman’s Revenge Socket 4 card and compared it to SuperEISA running at 160 MHz in interactive DOS graphics. No wonder SuperEISA outperformed the competition and came close in Quake. Both were tested with nearly identical VGA cards (as nearly identical as possible); ARK1000VL and ARK2000PV.
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I needed to add some variety to the mix. I figured Socket 4 would be an interesting angle, a logical competitor to the 486.
P60/66 is historically interesting for several reasons. There’s the FDIV bug, the move to 60/66 MHz FSB, and just the original P5 weirdness.
It’s a good board; It doesn’t have any real “options” like any Intel card of any era, but it’s stable and predictable.
The times are neither the fastest nor the slowest. BIOS updates are simple and the BIOS interface is streamlined.
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IDE drive > 2.1 GB Block the card. Does not send without XT-IDE or other drive overlay.
It comes in two flavors: one supports “fixed/required” 5.15v to 66MHz operation; The second circuit is missing, but it can do 66MHz FSB.
Pentium 60/66 are often considered good alternatives to DX4-100. This is true enough that if you like DOS games, ALU is nothing to write home about. For interactive DOS graphics, it is best to avoid the logo and capstone for most benchmarks on the Pentium 60/66. They are expensive these days, hard to find and largely lack the popular “retro” factor that surrounds the 486 these days. Taking a regular 486 board and putting a DX4 or Am5x86 on it is definitely a better bet, at least these days.
It’s worth discussing the 430LX’s faults first. It seems that Intel 430LX cannot support WB L2 cache properly. Given that Intel has implemented such functionality
